After8
1:40 Tue Nov 1
Re: The Battle of Orgreave.
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So labour ignored those poor people for 13 years and thought they were all liars?
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chelmsfordhammer
1:36 Tue Nov 1
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After8, not quite true as a lot of the information only started coming out once the Hillsborough enquiry had been completed.
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chelmsfordhammer
1:35 Tue Nov 1
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Quite amazing that people are stating what they saw on the bbc must be true because its on the bbc , these are some of the people that slag the bbc off for the biased reporting.
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After8
1:34 Tue Nov 1
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Labour had 13 years to launch an inquiry.
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Eddie B
1:27 Tue Nov 1
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Channel 4 impartial? Their news output is as impartial as the Morning Star.
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Alvin
1:14 Tue Nov 1
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stoneman:
"I was a teenager at the time watching it on the news and what I saw was both sides going at it hammer and tong, a good old fashioned scrap.
Nobody died, nobody got seriously injured and no one was imprisoned."
You watched it on the news, so that means you know all about it.
The Glasgow Media group looked at the BBC's footage of the incident and concluded it had been manipulated to show:
a) miners throwing stones
b) police charging
c) miners arrested
d) police injuries.
But what actually happened was
a) miners formed picket line across Orgreave gates
b) police charged on horseback, with truncheons drawn
c) miners scattered
d) police chased miners on horseback, cavalry style
e) a few miners threw stones
f) a policeman got hit by a stone and it drew some blood!
g) dozens of miners were arrested, imprisoned, charged with affray etc
h) nearly all of the charges were either dropped or the cases collapsed in court
So don't expect the BBC to be impartial about whether there should be an inquiry. Try Channel 4
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overbyyer
12:58 Tue Nov 1
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This:
Following the confrontation, 71 pickets were charged with riot and 24 with violent disorder. At the time, riot was punishable by life imprisonment. The trials collapsed when the evidence given by the police was deemed "unreliable". Gareth Peirce, who acted as solicitor for some of the men, said that the charge of riot had been used "to make a public example of people, as a device to assist in breaking the strike", while Mansfield called it "the worst example of a mass frame-up in this country this century. In June 1991, South Yorkshire Police paid £425,000 in compensation to 39 miners for assault, wrongful arrest, unlawful detention and malicious prosecution. In 2015, the Independent Police Complaints Commission reported that there was "evidence of excessive violence by police officers, a false narrative from police exaggerating violence by miners, perjury by officers giving evidence to prosecute the arrested men, and an apparent coverup of that perjury by senior officers. Alan Billings, the South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, admitted that the police had been "dangerously close to being used as an instrument of state. Following the 2016 inquest verdict into the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, previously censored documents suggesting links between the actions of senior South Yorkshire Police officers at both incidents were published.
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kips
12:50 Tue Nov 1
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So her we have hundreds of baton carrying police many riding on half ton horses charging into picket lines. Government policy was to smash the so called "flying pickets" Local pickets for local mines. The Police call in the met and west mid police. No problem there then?
The government knew South Yorkshire Police might go a bit wobbly on this as they were asked to police "vigorously " those men that lived next door to them.
They knew the country held a debt of gratitude to the Miner. Thousands gave their lives to keep this country going over hundreds of years.
Most coppers are right wing bullies. The Met loved nothing more than to enforce establishment policies, especially those from a right wing tory government.
The miners were fighting for their livelihoods the police were fighting for a working class hating, despotic cow.
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tanman
11:40 Tue Nov 1
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My old man was a copper and I was only about 8 at the time but I remember him going up there for this as they called on resources from loads of forces. It seems there were injuries on both sides and the coppers are not calling for an inquest. given no one died I think it is fair enough to leave it, things have moved on loads since then. I am keen to speakj to my Dad about it actually. He still has all his riot gear at home somewhere.
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Eddie B
11:39 Tue Nov 1
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yeah but the tories!
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charleyfarley
11:29 Tue Nov 1
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also eddie
Arthur Scargill is demanding £25,000 from the National Union of Mineworkers after it stopped his perks such as paying all his phone bills and meeting 80 per cent of the cost of running a car.
He has hired a top London QC, rather than a local lawyer, to represent him.
Support for Mr Scargill in his hometown of Barnsley is waning. As he left court an ex-miner heckled: “Get a job Arthur, get your nails mucky. You’re scrounging off us.â€
In a separate action the NUM is trying to remove his second home benefit – a £1.5million luxury flat in the Barbican, London.
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Eddie B
11:18 Tue Nov 1
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Former miners' leader Arthur Scargill has lost his High Court fight to have the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) continue to pay for his London flat.
Mr Scargill was president of the NUM until July 2002 and led it during the miners' strike from 1984 to 1985.
He stepped down as president of the union but claimed his contract entitled him to a London home for life, or the life of his widow.
Chris Kitchen, NUM general secretary, said Mr Scargill had been "found out".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20303797
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charleyfarley
11:12 Tue Nov 1
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Crassus, Scargill even sued his own union the NUM
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Eddie B
10:36 Tue Nov 1
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agag
biggest blinkered bigot.
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ray winstone
10:34 Tue Nov 1
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And who turns up? The biggest blinkered bigot out of the lot, kalimera Eddie.
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Eddie B
9:51 Tue Nov 1
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I love ray winstone on threads like this. You can just see him hitting the keys on his keyboard, like the harder he whacks them, the more people will feel his PASSION and ANGER.
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RM10
9:44 Tue Nov 1
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two faced cunts if you ask me.
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ray winstone
9:41 Tue Nov 1
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The Tories are wonderful aren't they, Thatcher turned millions into greedy, selfish, blinkered cunts and Cameron has turned even more into bigoted xenophobes, gotta love em.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:27 Tue Nov 1
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I didn't realise anyone on here was actually anti-Europe.
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,
12:26 Tue Nov 1
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Well we all know what the SYP were like back then. an enquiry will only reconfirm what we already know, cost a lot of public money, then be followed by more apologies and it will die a death.
For a long time it is clear that the SYP worked in a way that made them appear above and beyond the laws they were supposed to uphold.
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El Coucho
12:24 Tue Nov 1
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God bless Maggie?
Maggie was pro-Europe, a fact forgotten by many now.
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